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mariobro27 Mar 22 2008, 9:50 PM |
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This is one ma-hu-ssive update!
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supermariomaster Mar 22 2008, 10:13 PM |
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Wow! Nice update! |
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Ultramario Mar 23 2008, 12:10 AM |
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This update definitely made up for the long-ish wait.
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FluddFan Mar 23 2008, 1:00 AM |
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Wow! I agree with ultramario! Really big updaate! :) |
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Kurosaki Mar 23 2008, 1:51 AM |
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Review drive? Well whatever. I'm glad that they fianally declined my submission. it was just another demo that I wasn't going to finish. |
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ShadowMan Mar 23 2008, 2:27 AM |
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Quote (Kurosaki on Mar 22 2008, 8:51 PM) Review drive? Well whatever. I'm glad that they fianally declined my submission. it was just another demo that I wasn't going to finish. Decided not to put one up this time to focus on just getting stuff out of the queue. |
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Girrrtacos Mar 23 2008, 2:42 AM |
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UP AND COMING: Sprite Sheets: Super Smash Bros Brawl - All Common Items (QUEUED) If you want anything early, just ask. |
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Neopolis Mar 23 2008, 11:55 AM |
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Holy huge updates, Batman!
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esteban Mar 23 2008, 4:25 PM |
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Quote (ShadowMan on Mar 23 2008, 4:27 AM) Decided not to put one up this time to focus on just getting stuff out of the queue. The review drives seem to attract less members than before anyway. Anyway that is one of the largest updates i've ever seen. great job! |
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Black Boo Mar 23 2008, 7:26 PM |
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Ah heh heh heh... I think the "Don't voulenteer yet" part meant my message... Sorry bout that SM, and good update! (So NK v.2 got in.) Oh! And everyone that hasn't seen my sig on the forums, NK v.2 is outdated. I was planning on updating a few days ago, but my bro rented Brawl, so I've been playing that for awhile. But it's comin' soon!
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The Bluefire Mar 24 2008, 2:17 AM |
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Wait so your just like ganna pick someones name out of a hat or something? Cuz that wouldnt be too smart. are you ganna give it to a person who contributed quality work to the site? I think that would be a good idea. So dont give it to a no-one.
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Nicholas Ainsworth Mar 24 2008, 5:02 AM |
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Quote (The Bluefire on Mar 23 2008, 9:17 PM) Wait so your just like ganna pick someones name out of a hat or something? Cuz that wouldnt be too smart. are you ganna give it to a person who contributed quality work to the site? I think that would be a good idea. So dont give it to a no-one. We have our way of picking quality candidates, so just wait it out a little. |
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JesseRooA22 Mar 24 2008, 9:11 AM |
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You should probably get someone who uses Game Maker for quality control, to help with the how-tos (I got a few queued right now).
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Black Boo Mar 24 2008, 3:21 PM |
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Quote (JesseRooA22 on Mar 24 2008, 3:11 AM) You should probably get someone who uses Game Maker for quality control, to help with the how-tos (I got a few queued right now). Heck, than I could handle that! About Nintendo Kart v.2, It's way out of date. Get the newer one from the forums at http://mfgg.taloncrossing.com/index.phpshowtopic=204320&st=0& |
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8-bit Gamer Mar 25 2008, 2:57 PM |
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Way more sprites than i'm used to.
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Nacky Slocker Mar 26 2008, 12:46 AM |
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Quote (JesseRooA22 on Mar 24 2008, 2:11 AM) You should probably get someone who uses Game Maker for quality control, to help with the how-tos (I got a few queued right now). well I'm good with game maker! I finally found out the perfect formula to make it so when Mario hits a ? brick, it only makes an item pop out from the BOTTOM, a lot of people seem to make games where they can hit it from the side, and the top and the item pops out... |
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Grant Mar 26 2008, 1:18 AM |
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Some of you apparently omitted to read the bold text in the update.
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Xgoff Mar 26 2008, 5:17 AM |
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Quote (Grant on Mar 25 2008, 7:18 PM) Some of you apparently omitted to read the bold text in the update. more people should omit reading it because that will help filter out a lot of bad candidates |
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Nacky Slocker Mar 26 2008, 2:31 PM |
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Quote (Grant on Mar 25 2008, 6:18 PM) Some of you apparently omitted to read the bold text in the update. you think I want to be staff member? no, as a matter of fact, I'd suck at that job, and I don't want it. Although I do have a recommendation. Giga Gamer!! I bet he'd make a great staff member! on a secondary note... the reviews... only the staff is aloud to view them, I think that the author of the game should be able to see it too, and if the author likes it, then it should be considered more..., but if it's terrible (like "this game graphics up button LOL") then it should, ofcourse, get declined right off. so that's just an idea... |
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mariofan128 Mar 26 2008, 2:56 PM |
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Quote (girrrtacos on Mar 23 2008, 2:42 AM) UP AND COMING: Sprite Sheets: Super Smash Bros Brawl - All Common Items (QUEUED) If you want anything early, just ask. Cool i am making a ssbb mario not done but myabe they go together |
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Elyk Mar 26 2008, 3:24 PM |
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Is it Brawl's fault?
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Xgoff Mar 26 2008, 8:24 PM |
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Quote (Nacky Slocker on Mar 26 2008, 8:31 AM) and if the author likes it, then it should be considered more..., but if it's terrible (like "this game graphics up button LOL") then it should, ofcourse, get declined right off. so that's just an idea... it's a horrible idea imagine how many reviews game authors would decline just because they didn't like the score the reviewer gave, regardless of the reasons given behind the score |
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tails22 Mar 26 2008, 8:32 PM |
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good updates. the game mario vs the koopas was the best
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Nacky Slocker Mar 26 2008, 9:31 PM |
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Quote (Xgoff on Mar 26 2008, 1:24 PM) it's a horrible idea imagine how many reviews game authors would decline just because they didn't like the score the reviewer gave, regardless of the reasons given behind the score now look, I didn't say that the author should have all of the voting count, I said that if the author likes it, then the staff should consider it MORE, now if the author thinks that bad reviews should be declined (bad on score) then that IS dumb, but the staff thinks that it's apropriate, then, like usual, should get accepted, yes I agree with that, but I'd like to see some reviews that I got on some of my games that the staff probably declined (I only have one game... but). but if the author wanted it declined then he'd have to have a reason, and I don't think that "the score's to low" would or should be accepted. anyway just an idea |
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Nicholas Ainsworth Mar 26 2008, 9:57 PM |
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Quote (Nacky Slocker on Mar 26 2008, 4:31 PM) now look, I didn't say that the author should have all of the voting count, I said that if the author likes it, then the staff should consider it MORE, now if the author thinks that bad reviews should be declined (bad on score) then that IS dumb, but the staff thinks that it's apropriate, then, like usual, should get accepted, yes I agree with that, but I'd like to see some reviews that I got on some of my games that the staff probably declined (I only have one game... but). but if the author wanted it declined then he'd have to have a reason, and I don't think that "the score's to low" would or should be accepted. anyway just an idea We already tend to blam the crap out of reviews that don't meet quality standards. And if we miss one, simply report it to us. |
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Grant Mar 26 2008, 11:32 PM |
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It is still a bad idea. Judgments with a high likelihood of being biased should not have any influence on the acceptance of anything. If a system like that were implemented, people would say they want a certain review to be accepted, even if the review is badly written and a piece of crap, just because the review is favorable and would bump up the game's score. |
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Nacky Slocker Mar 27 2008, 2:24 AM |
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my favorite reviewing system (forgot where it was) is where all the reviews got submitted, and if there was one that was just "random junk stuff" it got deleted for being "not helpful" anyway, why should only the staff view the reviews? I understand the games, how-to's, sprite sheets etc., but I don't understand the reviews. and I had reviews declined for "not enough detail" well, how much detail do you guys want? I've read some reviews that were shorter than mine, for bigger games than mine. also when I'm looking for games, I usually go by the reviews, unfortunately half of the games are "reviewless" making that search a very poor way to search but ofcourse I don't know the entire history of this site, so, if you've guys have already tried something that I "suggested" then tell me that I'm wrong, please. |
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ShadowMan Mar 27 2008, 2:34 AM |
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We check to see if reviews have enough detail to explain the problems or good parts of a game. We'll decline something that says "The game was frustrating", but accept it if it says "The engine movement is glitchy and difficult to control." That's only four words more. The standards have gone up a bit, so always err on the side of being too long. Black Squirrel's reviews are good examples of long ones. Most of the reviews we get are teetering on the edge of being good and not good, and they just need some more explanation and detail. Only a few that we get are full of "Fffffffffffffffffjjjjjjj." |
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Grant Mar 27 2008, 3:30 AM |
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Quote (Nacky Slocker on Mar 26 2008, 9:24 PM) anyway, why should only the staff view the reviews? I understand the games, how-to's, sprite sheets etc., but I don't understand the reviews. ...Because that's the way things have always worked on the site, with the staff deciding what gets on? That's pretty much what defines a MFGG quality control staffer - someone who has a hand in deciding what gets accepted. Quote and I had reviews declined for "not enough detail" well, how much detail do you guys want? I've read some reviews that were shorter than mine, for bigger games than mine. Actually, I have found that a surprisingly large number of accepted reviews are pretty much useless with regard to giving one a good, concrete sort of idea of what the games are like. I've sometimes commented on them, expressing my surprise that they got through. I don't mean to put my judgment over that of the staff, however. It could well be, I think, that the reason those reviews are accepted is simply that there are not enough that are better than mediocre, and we kind of need less strict standards to get anything resembling a sufficient number of reviews. Such a reason is fine by me, since reviews that don't outright suck are better than no reviews. Of course, all this is entirely a guess, and I don't claim to know the internal workings of the staff's system. |
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Nacky Slocker Mar 27 2008, 3:58 AM |
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Quote (Grant on Mar 26 2008, 8:30 PM) ...Because that's the way things have always worked on the site, with the staff deciding what gets on? That's pretty much what defines a MFGG quality control staffer - someone who has a hand in deciding what gets accepted. yes, but the review drives are new, they didn't "work" with the site before, what I'm asking is have you ever tried it before. |
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Grant Mar 27 2008, 4:27 AM |
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Quote (Nacky Slocker on Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM) yes, but the review drives are new, they didn't "work" with the site before, what I'm asking is have you ever tried it before. I don't see your point, or understand this post. |
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Xgoff Mar 27 2008, 5:02 AM |
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Quote (Nacky Slocker on Mar 26 2008, 9:58 PM) what I'm asking is have you ever tried it before. no and there isn't any reason to it should be quite obvious what will happen if people are in control of their own ratings |
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Nacky Slocker Mar 27 2008, 3:33 PM |
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okay. but if NOONE not the staff, not the author, had control over the reviews being posted, what's wrong with that? "well then we'll get a lot of junk", yes but as I said before, if it didn't follow the guidelines of reviewing, then it should get deleted. please give me a good reason why that SHOULDN'T be not "it's not a good idea" you guys said you've never tried it before. |
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Grant Mar 27 2008, 5:53 PM |
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Quote (Nacky Slocker on Mar 27 2008, 10:33 AM) okay. but if NOONE not the staff, not the author, had control over the reviews being posted, what's wrong with that? "well then we'll get a lot of junk", yes but as I said before, if it didn't follow the guidelines of reviewing, then it should get deleted. please give me a good reason why that SHOULDN'T be not "it's not a good idea" you guys said you've never tried it before. Good job not reading then, because I've said plenty about why I think these ideas aren't good ideas. I didn't just say they stunk and that's it. Also, the idea of having everything accepted and then having the bad things deleted is absolutely pointless. It's no improvement whatsoever over the current system, and in fact it has obvious problems with it. For one thing, it would probably be a lot more disappointing for someone to see his review get on the site and then afterwards see it get taken back off, rather than simply not getting it accepted in the first place. For another thing, the crappy reviews which don't deserve to get accepted would still have an effect on games' scores during the time that they're on (before they're deleted). It simply isn't appropriate for badly-written/thought-out reviews to ever influence games' ratings. For yet another thing, it's clear that the site will look incredibly "un-professional" (for the lack of a better term) to anyone who sees a not-yet-deleted review with the quality of the abysmal reviews featured in ShadowMan's "Live in a Buttock" game (posted on the forums a while back). |
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Xgoff Mar 27 2008, 6:22 PM |
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Quote (Grant on Mar 27 2008, 11:53 AM) Good job not reading then, because I've said plenty about why I think these ideas aren't good ideas. I didn't just say they stunk and that's it. Also, the idea of having everything accepted and then having the bad things deleted is absolutely pointless. It's no improvement whatsoever over the current system, and in fact it has obvious problems with it. For one thing, it would probably be a lot more disappointing for someone to see his review get on the site and then afterwards see it get taken back off, rather than simply not getting it accepted in the first place. For another thing, the crappy reviews which don't deserve to get accepted would still have an effect on games' scores during the time that they're on (before they're deleted). It simply isn't appropriate for badly-written/thought-out reviews to ever influence games' ratings. For yet another thing, it's clear that the site will look incredibly "un-professional" (for the lack of a better term) to anyone who sees a not-yet-deleted review with the quality of the abysmal reviews featured in ShadowMan's "Live in a Buttock" game (posted on the forums a while back). also it's more work for the staff since they'd either have to FIND the bad reviews or rely on a ton of reports that they probably do not want |
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Nacky Slocker Mar 27 2008, 7:32 PM |
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un-professional? well, if the staff makes a game does that mean that the staff can accept more reviews? no disrespect to TD, I mean he made MFGG, but his game Toad Strikes back has 12 reviews. I've never seen a game on MFGG with 12 reviews at all. well you know what? what does the staff think? guys? Thunder Dragon, Retriever II, Black Squirrel, ShadowMan, Parakarry, Bacteriophage, Press Start, Tragic, Nicholas Ainsworth, what do you guys think? I haven't heard to much from the staff about it and well ofcourse they'd have to find them, but I thought that my reviews that got declined were nice. I couldn't think of any more details to put in them. but really, what does the staff think about it? |
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Xgoff Mar 27 2008, 8:14 PM |
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Quote (Nacky Slocker on Mar 27 2008, 1:32 PM) un-professional? well, if the staff makes a game does that mean that the staff can accept more reviews? no disrespect to TD, I mean he made MFGG, but his game Toad Strikes back has 12 reviews. I've never seen a game on MFGG with 12 reviews at all. well you know what? what does the staff think? guys? Thunder Dragon, Retriever II, Black Squirrel, ShadowMan, Parakarry, Bacteriophage, Press Start, Tragic, Nicholas Ainsworth, what do you guys think? I haven't heard to much from the staff about it and well ofcourse they'd have to find them, but I thought that my reviews that got declined were nice. I couldn't think of any more details to put in them. but really, what does the staff think about it? 1. that is irrelevant, because just because TD's game has been reviewed doesn't mean he will actually accept/decline his own reviews 2. there are quite a few games on here that have 10+ reviews |
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Nacky Slocker Mar 27 2008, 8:43 PM |
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that's true... I don't think that he was the cause of 12 reviews... well, anyhow I'm sick of writing reviews that keep getting declined when I put more effort than I wanted to into it. mfgg is a pretty nice site nonetheless, anyhow has anybody played brawl? if so if you unlocked toon link, can you get a picture, I want to see a really detailed picture of what he looks like. |
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ShadowMan Mar 27 2008, 10:07 PM |
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Quote (Nacky Slocker on Mar 27 2008, 2:32 PM) un-professional? well, if the staff makes a game does that mean that the staff can accept more reviews? no disrespect to TD, I mean he made MFGG, but his game Toad Strikes back has 12 reviews. I've never seen a game on MFGG with 12 reviews at all. well you know what? what does the staff think? Toad Strikes Back was the most anticipated fangame, ever. TD making it probably built the anticipation, but we can't force people to write reviews.
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Black Squirrel Mar 28 2008, 5:40 PM |
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No doubt many game authors would want things accepted on the basis that it says 10/10, not declined on the basis that it's crap.
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