Mario Tails (Flappy Bird Clone)
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By: IAmGreenMike
You guys remember Flappy Bird, right? Addicting game from 2014, where you had to flap your little bird forward, keep him in the air, make sure he doesn't hit any pipes, and then smash your phone into small pieces. Well I threw together a little Mario-based clone of the game that is smoother and considerably less frustrating, but still not super-easy! It's not much, but I hope you enjoy!

Please note that I started the project when Flappy Bird was popular, and I currently have nooo idea whose sheets I got the sprites from. If anybody knows off the top of their head, let me know so I can go double-check that you're right and update my credits accordingly!

Controls:
- Space Bar to "flap" your tail
- Enter to restart after you die
- Esc to close the game so you can move on to something more productive (quitter)

Back in 2010, 2011, I had an account called "mtbottlepro", where I uploaded the horrible, awful "Mallow Maze" and the wonderful, amazing "Bob-omberman". Then I started rapping and vanished for a few years. Now, I'm making a comeback as "IAmGreenMike", because I do still enjoy making video games even if it's not my career-of-choice anymore. So whenever I cook something Mario-related up, I'll be here to show it off a little bit and hopefully get some (CONSTRUCTIVE) criticism for future projects! So here's the first release! Hope everyone enjoys it!
Completion: Full Game Genre: Other
Franchise: Mario

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Reviews
Author Summary Score
Old Yuanxian Meh, it's just a clone that is even worse than the original game. 1 / 10
NintendoFanMPL Don't play it, it's not worth your time and all it does is frustrate you. 1 / 10
TheTwelfthRocket It's the exact same as Flappy Bird.

No one liked Flappy Bird, so it was taken of of the Google Play Store.

But that doesn't mean you should recreate it.

Nobody like Flappy Bird, and if you choose to clone it, expect negative reception.
3 / 10
Sevrault Well, it's time to find a Flappy Bird clone. Oh wait.. 1 / 10
Mariofan1122 The most blatantly obvious clone ever. Even the TITLE tells you it's a clone! For anyone out there, clones do NOT equal good. 1 / 10
Checkmeowt Wholly unoriginal and doesn't improve on Flappy Bird at all. 1 / 10
Kirby's Adventure Whether or not you're part of the 'target audience', you'd be better off avoiding this one. Dull graphics and gameplay with a lack of sound or music has earned it a trip to my Recycle Bin. 1 / 10
AsteriskX What's the point? It's literally just Flappy Bird with less. I'm rated this a 2/10 because it's not the worst game in history. Games like 'Super Fangame Maker' or 'Spoopy Maryo' were said to be bad, and I didn't even play those games. Not the worst game on the site, but it's a really bad game to be honest. You probably will not enjoy this one if you dare to play it. 2 / 10
LSF Games While still working just fine, it's unoriginal and not addictive at all. 2 / 10
Cruise Elroy I applaud your willingness to try and take other games and put a Mario spin on them, but why was Flappy Bird a good idea? Next thing you know is that he'll be cloning 2048! 1 / 10
db Okay, what's next? Stick Run Clone? 1 / 10
Willsaber I found that when writing my notes for this review, there was not a whole lot to actually talk about. The game makes use of one button, the sounds and art are as bare-bones as possible, and the gameplay isn't all that spectacular. You should just give it a pass. 2 / 10
Zero Kirby It may not be a waste of your money, but it's still a waste of your time. 1 / 10
Cap'n Coconuts I just don't get the appeal. 4 / 10
StrikeForcer This is a game that is basic and forgettable due to not doing anything different with the infinite runner genre as well as the fact that many other games based of Flappy Bird exists out there, for better or worse. 4 / 10
HylianDev It's a Flappy Bird clone. It's fun, but lacks some of the polish the original had. 6 / 10
SRGPaladin Perhaps this just had to be done. That doesn't mean it should be put on MFGG. 2 / 10
DJ Coco Flappy Bird with Mario sprites. Nothing more, nothing less. 3 / 10
Ultramario Another flappy bird clone for us to "enjoy" 1 / 10
Ryan Silberman Ironically, Mallow Maze was better than this. It was at least more original and had an end to it. 1 / 10
Average Score 2 / 10


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Ryan Silberman
Sep 12 2015, 12:26 AM
Oh joy....a Flappy Bird clone....
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 12 2015, 2:09 AM
Mario Tails (Flappy Bird Clone)? Well there's nothing actually wrong with that if you think about it, but it sounds a bit weird, like, 'Mario's Super Quest (Just Another Generic SMB3 Hello Clone)'. ;) I'll definitely give this game a go when I get the chance, though.
'- Esc to close the game so you can move on to something more productive (quitter)'? XD
 
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Random.NICK
Sep 13 2015, 2:46 AM
No... Just no...
 
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Double Agent Luigifan
Sep 13 2015, 2:56 PM
It looks kind of rubbish, to say the least. Sorry 'bout that, bud.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 14 2015, 2:14 AM
Well, from the reviews and comments, I see that people made the mistake of reading the words "Flappy Bird Clone", and yet somehow expected MORE than a simple Flappy Bird clone. I will take the L for that one, there's no reason that I should have expected people to approach things realistically.

Yes, the pipes move a bit faster than in Flappy Bird. They are also further apart than in Flappy Bird. The goal was to make the gameplay smoother, but not much easier. I actually think I pulled that off pretty well, to be honest. Play the original, THEN this one, and let me know? Cause I could be wrong. I do agree with Jack-of-All Games, I should've added a smacking sound on the pipe. But worse than Mallow Maze? That's a bit of a stretch, Mallow Maze was.. no..

I'm not really seeing how people could read "Flappy Bird Clone" and then expect so much from it. But alright. I'll go back to it sometime, add a smacking sound, some music, MAYBE a few games modes (LIKE "FLAP LEFT" MODE MAYBE). Shoot, maybe some more characters, like Luigi. I'll think of some items as well.

I don't disagree that there's room to improve, but overall, I think you guys might have set your bars a little too high for what to expect from "Flappy Bird Clone".
 
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Ryan Silberman
Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 2:14 AM)
there's no reason that I should have expected people to approach things realistically.

Want to know what the realistic expectation was? To improve on something so mundane and basic that it desperately could use sprucing up, and it would've been easy to do so. I don't understand why that would ever be seen as far-fetched.
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 2:14 AM)
Yes, the pipes move a bit faster than in Flappy Bird. They are also further apart than in Flappy Bird. The goal was to make the gameplay smoother, but not much easier. I actually think I pulled that off pretty well, to be honest. Play the original, THEN this one, and let me know?

If you wanted gameplay to be smoother, make the thing 60fps...
You may think you've pulled it off well, but the reviews and comments so far say otherwise. The customer's always right. The first time I played Flappy Bird, I scored 20 points effortlessly. Here, I could have done the same thing if doing the next flap wasn't such a guessing game thanks to the pipe speed. This was what killed any bit of the game there was for me.

Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 2:14 AM)
I'm not really seeing how people could read "Flappy Bird Clone" and then expect so much from it.

I would like to continue to stress the fact that Flappy Bird had nothing to it. It had less than even 80s arcade games. There was no challenge, nor variety. Nothing. If you're going to create a clone...add SOMETHING (preferably some THINGS). That's the lowest bar imaginable, so to say it is high is definitely inaccurate.
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 14 2015, 4:57 AM
I'll have to agree with Jack-of-All-Games on this one...
Expect a review. I'll review any game, whether it be crappy or excellent, and even the Flappy Bird clone ones. I'm honestly not sure what to expect from this, but...At least it's a game. I haven't even took the time to learn basic programming anyway.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 14 2015, 6:22 AM
Definitely ignoring any of the positive parts of my comments and focusing on the negative, but that's cool (again, what can you expect from people?)

Please note that upon uploading the game, I made sure to emphasize the word "CONSTRUCTIVE" before criticism. And please stop ignoring the fact that I didn't design this game to be an improvement on the original. It was meant to be the same, just it's Mario instead of a bird. It isn't supposed to keep your attention, just something you do in your spare time, so no, there's not a lot going on in the game.

I feel like this isn't something I should have to put so much stress on, but if you expect MORE from something that was specifically designed to be THE SAME as something, then you're setting the bar too high. If anyone else is going to review it, please keep in mind that you should review it AS a Flappy Bird clone. Compare it to Flappy Bird, not every other game.
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 14 2015, 7:47 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 6:22 AM)
Definitely ignoring any of the positive parts of my comments and focusing on the negative, but that's cool (again, what can you expect from people?)

Please note that upon uploading the game, I made sure to emphasize the word "CONSTRUCTIVE" before criticism. And please stop ignoring the fact that I didn't design this game to be an improvement on the original. It was meant to be the same, just it's Mario instead of a bird. It isn't supposed to keep your attention, just something you do in your spare time, so no, there's not a lot going on in the game.

I feel like this isn't something I should have to put so much stress on, but if you expect MORE from something that was specifically designed to be THE SAME as something, then you're setting the bar too high. If anyone else is going to review it, please keep in mind that you should review it AS a Flappy Bird clone. Compare it to Flappy Bird, not every other game.

I know what it feels like to have negative comments and other stuff. I was just giving my honest opinions and did not mean to ruin your day. It's definitely something though, I know that. I didn't even play it yet, but at least; it's a game. Glad you took time to do this even if it doesn't go on the fantastic games list, so good job making it.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 14 2015, 11:24 AM
Quote (AsteriskX on Sep 14 2015, 2:47 AM)
I know what it feels like to have negative comments and other stuff. I was just giving my honest opinions and did not mean to ruin your day. It's definitely something though, I know that. I didn't even play it yet, but at least; it's a game. Glad you took time to do this even if it doesn't go on the fantastic games list, so good job making it.

Oh no, I don't mind if the comments are negative as long as they're constructive. Your comments were actually the only ones I felt had any real substance behind them! But when I read comments like "Oh joy....a Flappy Bird clone...." or "No... Just no...", that shows me that you didn't consider the intent of the designer. "oh joy"? Well obviously, if you play the game with THAT attitude, you're gonna give it a garbage review, you know? If I were to review games, I wouldn't just review every single game. I would look for games that catch my interest, and then I would review them while considering the designer's intent. If I read the words "It's not much, but I hope you enjoy!" in the description, I would have to be an idiot to download the game expecting much. Clearly said it's not much, you know?

But no, AsterikX, I liked your comments. Especially when you said "Well there's nothing actually wrong with that if you think about it" in reference to the title. In my mind I was like "YES, I thought people would miss the point of that!" Then I scrolled down and there it was, people missing the point. Now don't get me wrong, some ideas I cooked up since last night HAVE got me excited for a bigger better version of the game with different modes and characters. But that game would have a different purpose from this one, and as such would be a separate upload with a separate name. "Mario Tails" was made to just be Flappy Bird, but Mario-shaped. World 1-1 had green pipes, World 1-2 had blue pipes, but we didn't get all pissy when 1-2's pipes weren't an improvement on the last.
 
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Ryan Silberman
Sep 14 2015, 1:40 PM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 11:24 AM)
Oh no, I don't mind if the comments are negative as long as they're constructive. Your comments were actually the only ones I felt had any real substance behind them!

Okay, now I'm getting a ticked.
Evidently, you don't care about constructive criticism. Listen to only positive comments? OKAY. It's the situation with Hello all over again. But since you're only just starting to back in here, it's time to prevent that bit of ego from taking over your mind before it spreads like a virus.

When I describe in detail why or what is wrong with the game, you PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK INTO THOSE THINGS. If there's anything "positive" I can say about this is that the graphics and certain sound are appropriate. Is that it? Is that really all you've wanted out of me? But at what cost? At. What. Cost? They don't mean ANYTHING as long as the gameplay's a wreck, and considering you decided to copy Flappy Bird and have the only addition being faster pipes, that's a fatal error.

Like it or not, Reviews have scores ranging from ONE to ten for reasons that SHOULD be obvious: To let the designer know something's WRONG with what's put out, and for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, people give examples on HOW to fix said problems! I did my part, yet because I've said nothing positive, you're gonna toss it off to the side and be ignorant about it, so it seems.

And then there's "People missing the point"
Oh, so this game was meant to be bad from the very beginning by cloning a bad game. I had the benefit of the doubt that by "clone" you meant "similar, but different in my own ways", if that wasn't obvious enough by this point. UNFORTUNATELY, it's Flappy Bird, except with worse pipes.

God, my comments have been so redundant I don't understand how no one would know what I'm talking about.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 14 2015, 2:07 PM
Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 8:40 AM)
Okay, now I'm getting a ticked.
Evidently, you don't care about constructive criticism. Listen to only positive comments? OKAY. It's the situation with Hello all over again. But since you're only just starting to back in here, it's time to prevent that bit of ego from taking over your mind before it spreads like a virus.

I didn't say his are the only ones I listened to. I said his are the only ones that I felt had any substance. His were the only comments that took into account what the game is actually supposed to be. Evidently, you don't know what the definition of constructive criticism IS. This isn't ego. I'm an artist, I'm familiar with the idea that not everybody is going to like my work. I also know what comments are there to help make the game better, and what comments are there to just be rude.

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 8:40 AM)
When I describe in detail why or what is wrong with the game, you PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK INTO THOSE THINGS. If there's anything "positive" I can say about this is that the graphics and certain sound are appropriate. Is that it? Is that really all you've wanted out of me? But at what cost? At. What. Cost? They don't mean ANYTHING as long as the gameplay's a wreck, and considering you decided to copy Flappy Bird and have the only addition being faster pipes, that's a fatal error.

Again, I wasn't just looking for positive comments. Constructive criticism, that's it. Trust me, it'd be tough for ME to drag positive comments out of the game too. You know why? Because the game is not MEANT to be good, great, groundbreaking, or even replayable. This game is simply meant to be Flappy Bird with different shapes, as I've said before.

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 8:40 AM)
Like it or not, Reviews have scores ranging from ONE to ten for reasons that SHOULD be obvious: To let the designer know something's WRONG with what's put out, and for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, people give examples on HOW to fix said problems! I did my part, yet because I've said nothing positive, you're gonna toss it off to the side and be ignorant about it, so it seems.

I don't look at people who are making a chicken patty sandwich, and say things like "Hey, you're making that hamburger all wrong." This isn't meant to be a hamburger. It's just a chicken patty sandwich. So if you bite into a chicken patty sandwich and you're prepared to criticize the way a hamburger was made, then you're obviously reviewing things WRONG. Now, if I had advertised this game as some kind of amazing, super-duper version of Flappy Bird, then I could understand your disappointment. But considering that I never claimed to make a "better" version of Flappy Bird, I think that your expectations were set a little too high. And by the way, I agreed with the fact that I should have added a smacking sound when he hits a pipe or ground. I agreed with you on that. In fact, it was pretty stupid for me not to add a smacking sound, looking back. Egotistical as this may sound, I don't think that failure to add a smack sound merits a 1 out of 10.

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 8:40 AM)
And then there's "People missing the point"
Oh, so this game was meant to be bad from the very beginning by cloning a bad game. I had the benefit of the doubt that by "clone" you meant "similar, but different in my own ways", if that wasn't obvious enough by this point. UNFORTUNATELY, it's Flappy Bird, except with worse pipes.

If you did not like the game Flappy Bird, then it's borderline disrespectful to review a game that you KNEW you wouldn't like once you started playing it. I, myself, do not like first-person shooters. Therefore, I do not negatively review games that are first-person shooters. I have no room to do so, I'm going in there with a bad attitude (i.e., "oh joy....a Flappy Bird clone....") and will undoubtedly have a bad experience playing the game. To avoid disappointment, ONLY PLAY GAMES THAT YOU THINK YOU'LL LIKE.
 
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Ryan Silberman
Sep 14 2015, 3:25 PM
You still seriously don't get it?!
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 2:07 PM)
I don't think that failure to add a smack sound merits a 1 out of 10.

My gosh you really don't....
Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
except with no variety whatsoever, as the only thing that changes are the positions of the pipes. Not even the GAPS between the pipes change!

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
You'd think out of the thousands of clones out there, and considering how effortless it is to emulate the formula, some would actually try to fix the problems with Flappy Bird and add more elements and features, but apparently, all they have done was do the exact same things!

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
because the pipes move slightly faster than they should, you don't have any time to transition from one pipe to the next, rendering your next flap a guessing game

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
Not to mention, there is absolutely no content other than this one ability to flap through pipe gaps. There are no game modes, no items, no change in pipe usage, NOTHING!

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
If you wanted gameplay to be smoother, make the thing 60fps...

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
The first time I played Flappy Bird, I scored 20 points effortlessly. Here, I could have done the same thing if doing the next flap wasn't such a guessing game thanks to the pipe speed.

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
I would like to continue to stress the fact that Flappy Bird had nothing to it. It had less than even 80s arcade games. There was no challenge, nor variety. Nothing. If you're going to create a clone...add SOMETHING

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
When I describe in detail why or what is wrong with the game, you PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK INTO THOSE THINGS.

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
They don't mean ANYTHING as long as the gameplay's a wreck, and considering you decided to copy Flappy Bird and have the only addition being faster pipes, that's a fatal error.

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
I had the benefit of the doubt that by "clone" you meant "similar, but different in my own ways", if that wasn't obvious enough by this point. UNFORTUNATELY, it's Flappy Bird, except with worse pipes.

Quote (Jack-of-All Games on Sep 14 2015, 4:29 AM)
worse pipes

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ADD SOMETHING

I don't provide any substance, huh?

If you don't even care about your own game makings, why should we?
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 14 2015, 4:01 PM
Pretty much all of those comments fail (again) to recognize the fact that this was NOT meant to be an improvement on Flappy Bird. So, just in case this wasn't painfully obvious already, my response to your "ADD SOMETHING" is "NO". That's not what this game is.

I like AsterikX's comments because he addressed the game for what is IS. He wasn't expecting an improvement. He was expecting what he read. Substance as in intelligent response to the game, not just lots of words.
 
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Ryan Silberman
Sep 14 2015, 4:16 PM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 4:01 PM)
Pretty much all of those comments fail (again) to recognize the fact that this was NOT meant to be an improvement on Flappy Bird. So, just in case this wasn't painfully obvious already, my response to your "ADD SOMETHING" is "NO". That's not what this game is.

I like AsterikX's comments because he addressed the game for what is IS. He wasn't expecting an improvement. He was expecting what he read. Substance as in intelligent response to the game, not just lots of words.

So basically you used this site as a dumpster for this waste. Perfect. Completely justifies my 1/10 score. If you aren't going to try, then there was no point returning to MFGG to begin with.

By the way, AsterikX agreed with me on the important stuff. Not that you'd care, though. It's like doing a clone of the Dr. Jeckyle and Mr. Hyde NES game and refusing to add anything because it's labeled as such. What's the point? Why pick an awful game to clone? Why bother being here if you don't care? Why try and defend the cline's existence when there's a million better games people would rather play? You've effectively wasted your time, and thanks to your ignorance, my time as well.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 15 2015, 12:50 AM
There are a lot of games that I don't like on MFGG because they aren't games that I enjoy. But I don't go around arguing with the people who made them, ESPECIALLY if I don't understand the game's point. Flappy Bird IS a game that is simple, addicting, and - hold on to your hats, folks - a waste of time. So again, if you clicked on a game with the words "Flappy Bird Clone" in the title expecting NOT to waste time, then I am afraid that it is YOUR ignorance. Don't go blaming me that you spent more time arguing with me than playing the game. You don't HAVE to respond to me. You don't HAVE to play this game. A normal person can simply say "This is not a game I enjoy, so I won't play it." YOU have decided to go back and forth with me and tell me what I was SUPPOSED to be making MY game for. Either go do better, or stop your whining.

I should let you go. There are a lot of abstract artists in the world, and you're gonna need all the rest you need to go whining and complaining to all of them because you don't like the reasons why they made what they made.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 15 2015, 12:51 AM
Trust me, if MFGG is a dump site, it's not because they let just anyone make a game. It's because they let just anyone make an account.
 
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SRGPaladin
Sep 15 2015, 3:28 AM
CONSTRUCTive feedback follows: please CONSTRUCT something original; even if it's a "clone", don't just throw a few sprites and sounds into it and call it a Mario game. Try to add something that would appeal to the audience of the site, namely Mario fans and gamers who want to see the Mario Universe through a different lens: the lens of a fangame—not simply waste their time.

If simple "clones" were still acceptable on this site, there'd be a ton more games based on the Hello engine. However there's been a big push not to just submit clones of engines or other games. Hello's engine has been receiving the brunt of that, most of its more recent games averaging between 2/10 and 4/10, if they even make it onto the site.

I understand that you've been gone for a while and haven't seen this whole ordeal, but that doesn't change the fact that the community's expectations have been evolving in order to better the quality of fangames on this site.

Also, I clicked "Flappy Bird Clone" not wanting to "waste time", but because the title implied a game that should not be wasting server space here in the first place. I was expecting a simple clone that did not introduce anything new to the game aside from a few sprites and sounds, and nothing original. I played the game hoping that I was just judging a book by its cover, but that unfortunately wasn't the case.

If you are uncomfortable with the community saying bad things about weak games, you should consider lurking again, until you better understand their expectations.

There simply isn't enough here for me to provide more specific feedback. I'm not going to just throw ideas for basic game design out there; this is your game, no one else's.

EDIT: Adding review. Although I can't think of anything that would make this a GOOD game without stepping on your creative domain, places where you have much room for improvement are listed there.
 
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Willsaber
Sep 15 2015, 3:50 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 10:01 PM)
Pretty much all of those comments fail (again) to recognize the fact that this was NOT meant to be an improvement on Flappy Bird. So, just in case this wasn't painfully obvious already, my response to your "ADD SOMETHING" is "NO". That's not what this game is.

Nobody cares what a game is meant to be, they care what it IS.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 15 2015, 4:59 AM
As the designer, the game IS what I INTEND it to be. People should start considering the intent of the person who says or does something before forming opinions.

Let's say that most of the games y'all are used to are like a hamburger from Restaurant A. Now, if I uploaded MY burger and said "This is a burger of my making. It is meant to be in competition with the burger sold in Restaurant A!", then I could understand if you thought I did a horrible job making this burger. But no, I said "Hey, I got these bite-sized mozzarella sticks if anyone is interested! If not, that's cool, you can skip straight to the entree, but I got these appetizers if you want them." Even though all these games are uploaded to the same site via the same method, that does not mean that every game is designed to be in competition with every game on here. You'd have to be an idiot to eat a mozzarella stick from Restaurant B and then say "Wow, this is horrible because it tastes nothing like the burger from Restaurant A." YOU DON'T SAY? Maybe that's because it is not SUPPOSED to be a competitor for entree meals. It is simply an appetizer. So if everybody could stop acting like this game is "wrong" for not being as big and bad as everything else, that would be FANTASTIC.

Seriously, I found it outstanding that people can act like they know so much about how these things work, but then not know the difference between a small product and a big product. Note that just because a game is on this site, doesn't mean that each and every single one of you is expected to enjoy this game. This game is designed for people who want to sit back and just chill with something small. I shouldn't be bombarded with negative feedback from people who want big games. If everyone could go read the review DJ Coco wrote, that's a good example of a review that accepts the game for what it is and gives feedback accordingly. I will gladly take a 3 out of 10 from somebody who accepts the game for what it is. DJ Coco pointed out some real mistakes I made, such as putting Mario in the middle of the screen instead of left. In addition, I do agree with everyone in that I could afford to add a few more sounds and some music. Plus, the graphics do clash a bit. I hadn't really noticed it like y'all had because I had kept this game in some locked-up archives for a year, so my eyes were kinda accustomed to the graphics that are there. My mistake. I don't have a problem with poor reviews. But for everybody who is expecting me to make the game MORE... Again, I'm not gonna do that to this game because that simply is not what this game is meant to be. Aside from the improvements in Mario's camera placement, making it prettier, and adding a few more sounds and music (and probably more environments, while I'm at it), this game is just gonna stay simple.

Do I have bigger projects in the works? YES. I'm planning on redoing Bob-omberman in time, and possibly a "Mario Tails +" which will satisfy your need for more game modes and more... just generally more everything. But THIS game is simply "Flappy Bird with Mario sprites. Nothing more, nothing less."
 
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Cap'n Coconuts
Sep 15 2015, 6:04 AM
It seems like quite a few low score games attract arguments like flies. Perhaps I'll write a review, but as far as arguments go I think I'll pass this time.
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 15 2015, 7:11 AM
(Quoting almost every comment)
For GreenMike, Well, to be honest, I'm not sure why you would only look for the negative comments...And when you do, you make illustrations of burgers, mozzarella sticks, restaurants and all that other jazz. I'm just not sure this is making your 'point' shine, because if you wouldn't make such long comments in reply to 20-word comments and just made it simple, this all might be shortened by now. If this is what you came back for, I just don't know what to expect. Anyway, expect a review. Should probably be up within a week.
 
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Zero Kirby
Sep 15 2015, 7:26 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 14 2015, 8:59 PM)
As the designer, the game IS what I INTEND it to be. People should start considering the intent of the person who says or does something before forming opinions.

If your intent is to make unambitious games that bring nothing new or interesting to the table, then that's your prerogative. Others will disagree with this notion of yours, and there's nothing wrong with that.

After all, your silly restaurant logic makes no sense and can be turned on its head rather easily - sure this is a mozzarella stick and not a burger... but there's other mozzarella sticks out there.

All I'm gonna say on the matter.
 
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Ryan Silberman
Sep 15 2015, 11:45 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 15 2015, 4:59 AM)
As the designer, the game IS what I INTEND it to be. People should start considering the intent of the person who says or does something before forming opinions."

"Hey guys! After a few games on my old account, I decided to return to NOT improve on my skills, but to make a game that's crap because I purposely cloned it off a game people hate and added nothing to it because it's a 'clone' and doesn't need improvements! Now to defend this game to death and not listen to anybody because I'm an artist and I'm cool like that"
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 15 2015, 8:25 PM
Thank you to DJ Coco, SRGPaladin, and HylianDev, who reviewed the game by comparing 1 - what the game is supposed to be, and 2 - what the game actually ended up being, instead of comparing it to every other game on the site. I appreciate your reviews, even if they were low, because I don't have an "ego" despite what Jack-of-All Games seems to believe. To nearly everybody else... You obviously missed the point of the game, overlooked the fact that I'm just now getting back into it, and ignored the fact that I DO have bigger and better projects in the works. Simply put, if you do not like simple games, you have several other games on the site to enjoy while you wait for bigger and better games to come out. Not every upload has to blow your mind in order for it to be good. This game DOES need polishing and DOES need work. But it does not need to be groundbreaking. It is what it was meant to be. Just, less polished.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 15 2015, 8:30 PM
Quote (AsteriskX on Sep 15 2015, 2:11 AM)
(Quoting almost every comment)
For GreenMike, Well, to be honest, I'm not sure why you would only look for the negative comments...And when you do, you make illustrations of burgers, mozzarella sticks, restaurants and all that other jazz. I'm just not sure this is making your 'point' shine, because if you wouldn't make such long comments in reply to 20-word comments and just made it simple, this all might be shortened by now. If this is what you came back for, I just don't know what to expect. Anyway, expect a review. Should probably be up within a week.

People who made 20-word comments are only responding to one person. I'm responding to SEVERAL people, so my comments are GOING to be longer - especially since it's apparent that I have to spell everything out for people. The game is small, the comments are big. Everybody has a problem with the sizes of things, and if something isn't the size you were wanting, then it's simply incorrect. Blah blah, etc etc.
 
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Ryan Silberman
Sep 16 2015, 12:22 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 15 2015, 8:30 PM)
People who made 20-word comments are only responding to one person. I'm responding to SEVERAL people, so my comments are GOING to be longer - especially since it's apparent that I have to spell everything out for people. The game is small, the comments are big. Everybody has a problem with the sizes of things, and if something isn't the size you were wanting, then it's simply incorrect. Blah blah, etc etc.

Well there's an obvious reason why there's several people to respond to. For everybody but you.

I repeat my previous comment.
 
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Willsaber
Sep 16 2015, 3:30 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 16 2015, 2:25 AM)
instead of comparing it to every other game on the site..

The idea that a game must be compared to another specific game instead of video games as a collective entity is not likely to cause anything but harm to your game. MFGG is a video game site, not a Flappy Bird site, thus any game on hosted will be compared to every other video game.
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 16 2015, 3:42 AM
...Copying an iOS game with nothing new and actually less seems like a bit of an uncreative idea.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 16 2015, 3:48 AM
Quote (Willsaber on Sep 15 2015, 10:30 PM)
The idea that a game must be compared to another specific game instead of video games as a collective entity is not likely to cause anything but harm to your game. MFGG is a video game site, not a Flappy Bird site, thus any game on hosted will be compared to every other video game.

By that logic, I feel compelled to compare every game on MFGG to every game in the world. I believe that all the games on MFGG, because they were created on Earth, are supposed to compare to Super Mario 64, for one example. Since you wanna live on Earth and make games at the same time, you must compare all of Earth's games to yours. Don't argue with that, cause I'll say "Well how do you expect to make a video game and have it playable on Earth, and then not want people to compare it to every other game?" Oh wait, that's a stupid way of thinking. I'm pretty sure that none of the games on this site are better than Super Mario 64, so they would ALL be really bad by default.

When I made this game, it wasn't so that it could be better than every other game on the site. That should be obvious. MFGG is not the site that I picked games from to compare them to mine. MFGG is the site that I chose to host the game for anybody who would like to download it. Not just you bunch of whiney, disrespectful children. But my own friends who would like to download the game.
 
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Willsaber
Sep 16 2015, 3:54 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 16 2015, 9:48 AM)
By that logic, I feel compelled to compare every game on MFGG to every game in the world. I believe that all the games on MFGG, because they were created on Earth, are supposed to compare to Super Mario 64, for one example.

Correct.
 
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Zero Kirby
Sep 16 2015, 4:02 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 15 2015, 7:48 PM)
By that logic, I feel compelled to compare every game on MFGG to every game in the world. I believe that all the games on MFGG, because they were created on Earth, are supposed to compare to Super Mario 64, for one example. Since you wanna live on Earth and make games at the same time, you must compare all of Earth's games to yours. Don't argue with that, cause I'll say "Well how do you expect to make a video game and have it playable on Earth, and then not want people to compare it to every other game?" Oh wait, that's a stupid way of thinking. I'm pretty sure that none of the games on this site are better than Super Mario 64, so they would ALL be really bad by default.

When I made this game, it wasn't so that it could be better than every other game on the site. That should be obvious. MFGG is not the site that I picked games from to compare them to mine. MFGG is the site that I chose to host the game for anybody who would like to download it. Not just you bunch of whiney, disrespectful children. But my own friends who would like to download the game.

Well, too bad, you posted your game in a public forum and you're going to have to deal with the public forum's thoughts on your public forum-posted game. It's not a crime to share one's thoughts on your game. That is, after all, why there are comments.

It's perfectly fair to compare this game to other games on MFGG. It is an offering on MFGG for others to play, perhaps there are better offerings on MFGG to play. It is perfectly fair to compare this game to other games in an attempt to determine if one would want to play it. After all, if I had to pick between spending my time playing this or playing, say, Metal Gear Solid V because they just so happened to be the two games I had at the time, but I obviously can only play one at a time, surely I would have to compare and contrast the merits or lack thereof of playing both.

Your ridiculous attempt at hyperbole fools nobody, and deserves an answer with more hyperbole.

I'm keeping an eye on this comments section. Any more insults get thrown around and there'll be trouble. This is getting out-of-hand.
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 16 2015, 4:03 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 16 2015, 3:48 AM)
By that logic, I feel compelled to compare every game on MFGG to every game in the world. I believe that all the games on MFGG, because they were created on Earth, are supposed to compare to Super Mario 64, for one example.

That seems like a bit of a stretch...First it was about mozzarella sticks and burgers and now it's comparing games on a fan site to every game in the world, including official games?
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MFGG is the site that I chose to host the game for anybody who would like to download it. Not just you bunch of whiney, disrespectful children. But my own friends who would like to download the game.

"Disrespectful"...Sharing honest opinions and suggestions is being disrespectful?

But my own friends who would like to download the game?

Which ones?
Anyway, I just don't understand this whole "argument" of you could even call it that.
I'm going to stop now, I just didn't understand this all.
Thanks for clearing this up, Zero Kirby.
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 16 2015, 4:07 AM
Well, thanks for taking the time to make this game, anyway, as I mentioned before.
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 16 2015, 4:08 AM
Oops, a double comment. Sorry, forgive me about that. :/ Well, might as well say sorry for everything if I caused trouble.
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 16 2015, 4:11 AM
I don't know how you can expect short comments when there is just SO MUCH stupidity here. I have to type a LOT of information. Although I was fully aware that there is a rating system when I clicked "Submit File" I did not anticipate all you special cookies thinking that this game is JUST FOR YOU. This game was submitted TO THE WEBSITE. Not the website's USERS. To assume that every other game on this website must compare to each other, is to assume that everybody who plays a game that is hosted on this website - whether they are a member or not - must play EVERY game on this website in order to enjoy it.

It's adorable that people think that I don't know what I'm talking about, but can any of you tell me what a "target audience" is? Quoted from Wikipedia, "it is a specific group of people within the target market at which a product or the marketing message of a product is aimed". That being said, just because the game is on this website, does not mean that my target audience is YOU. My target audience, meaning the people I had in mind when making the game, is "people who would enjoy the game". For example, fans of Flappy Bird! So, if you saw the title and thought "Oh joy, a Flappy Bird Clone" with a sarcastic tone, then guess what? YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF MY TARGET AUDIENCE! And as such, you probably WILL NOT be pleased with the game! Do you know why? Your satisfaction with the game was not considered when I made it! The world doesn't revolve around you just cause you have a MFGG username! Imagine that.

So, if you have negative things to say about my content but don't consider its intent, then you WILL get an earful! You have no room to be talking to me like I'M the one who doesn't know how things work. On the other hand, if you have negative things to say about my content and you DID consider my intent, then I will listen and learn because I'm not egotistical. No matter what argument you try to return with, "To be compared to other games" is NOT the only reason to make a game, and just because my game is submitted to MFGG, does not mean that it is submitted to MFGG's users.

As has been said by a few people, my game does what it is advertised to do. It needs to be prettier, and needs a few more sounds, but it gets the job done as promised by the title and description. When I said "I hope you enjoy" in the description, that was assuming that only people who had an INTEREST in the game would click on it. I don't see a news article titled "Man Adopts Baby Seal In Connecticut" and then think "Wow, this seems like something I would have no interest in" and then click on it! So that "Hope everyone enjoys it!" was not an open invitation for overly-entitled users to complain because they didn't get the next best thing in fangaming.

So keep on wasting your time arguing with me. First, a game designer is not allowed to have his own intentions when making a game, and then he's not allowed to have a target audience. What's next? I hope nobody finds out that I used Game Maker 8.0, because a bunch of y'all might think that I'm using the wrong program! And *gasp* I'M RUNNING IT ON WINDOWS 10! And because you might like Windows 7 better, I should be disrespected. Really, what's next?
 
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IAmGreenMike
Sep 16 2015, 4:27 AM
The reason this argument exists, is because my game is under the judgment of a rating system that judges it as a MFGG game, instead of simply a game. I do not have a problem with low scores. I DO have a problem with ANY scores, low or high, that judge the game only as compared to other games on the site it is hosted on. I'm not sure how this is such a complicated idea to most of you, especially admins (aren't admins selected because of their ability to understand a problem and resolve it accordingly? Because "target audience" seems like the type of concept an individual should be able to understand if he's selected to be an admin..) I'm not sure why anybody is thanking Zero Kirby for clearing anything up. Just cause his name is orange doesn't mean that things got cleared up by his comment. There's still a total disregard for target audience and designer's intent here, making things quite unclear.
 
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Zero Kirby
Sep 16 2015, 4:37 AM
Quote (IAmGreenMike on Sep 15 2015, 8:11 PM)
I don't know how you can expect short comments when there is just SO MUCH stupidity here. I have to type a LOT of information.

You don't, but okay.

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Although I was fully aware that there is a rating system when I clicked "Submit File" I did not anticipate all you special cookies thinking that this game is JUST FOR YOU.

Nobody thinks this game was just for them. It's posted to a public forum that they visit, so it's fair to say it's there for them to play, however. If it's not here for us to play, then it should be removed from the site, clearly.

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This game was submitted TO THE WEBSITE. Not the website's USERS.

This gives the impression it was never meant to be played. How can someone play the game if there are no users to play it?

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To assume that every other game on this website must compare to each other, is to assume that everybody who plays a game that is hosted on this website - whether they are a member or not - must play EVERY game on this website in order to enjoy it.

That's not what that means. That means that as another game on the website it is in competition with other games by virtue of being on the site. I could spend my time playing this game, or look for another one on the site. Simple as that.

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It's adorable that people think that I don't know what I'm talking about, but can any of you tell me what a "target audience" is?

Nobody cares what your target audience was. You posted it here. You get our users playing it whether you agree with whether they should have an opinion or not.

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So, if you have negative things to say about my content but don't consider its intent, then you WILL get an earful!

Have you perhaps heard of the Death of the Author? Interesting subject.

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You have no room to be talking to me like I'M the one who doesn't know how things work. On the other hand, if you have negative things to say about my content and you DID consider my intent, then I will listen and learn because I'm not egotistical.

Then start. I haven't seen much evidence of this.

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No matter what argument you try to return with, "To be compared to other games" is NOT the only reason to make a game, and just because my game is submitted to MFGG, does not mean that it is submitted to MFGG's users.

I've no doubt you didn't make this game to be compared to the other games, nobody does. But as a game posted on this site, it will inevitably and rightfully be compared to the other games. Again, if you're not submitting it here for the users to play it, then why are you submitting it here? Free hosting? You're basically complaining about the fact that because you posted your game in a public place with a comments system people are having opinions.

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So keep on wasting your time arguing with me.

Another argument easily flipped around on you - since of course, you are doing much the same by continuing to argue with us!
 
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Zero Kirby
Sep 16 2015, 4:38 AM
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The reason this argument exists, is because my game is under the judgment of a rating system that judges it as a MFGG game, instead of simply a game. I do not have a problem with low scores. I DO have a problem with ANY scores, low or high, that judge the game only as compared to other games on the site it is hosted on. I'm not sure how this is such a complicated idea to most of you, especially admins (aren't admins selected because of their ability to understand a problem and resolve it accordingly? Because "target audience" seems like the type of concept an individual should be able to understand if he's selected to be an admin..)

Judging it as a game inevitably compares it to other games - with no comparisons, how do we make a standard for quality? How do we know what good gameplay is without an example, or good graphics, or good sound-design? You also openly invited this with your silly "hamburger-mozzarella-sticks" comparison. Yes, this is a mozzarella stick, and not a hamburger, but that means we can compare it to other mozzarella sticks, of which there are many.

As for the target audience, throughout the years there have been many forms of media with a target audience that attracts a peripheral audience - by posting your game here, you have gleefully invited this peripheral audience by hosting it in their domain. All games on this site have the users as their audience - expecting otherwise is foolhardy. If you wanted to limit your audience, then you should have hosted this on a different site. Nobody here cares if you posted it here to be easier for your friends to find and download - there are other sites you can do that on. But you posted it here, with admission that there is a review system, a comments system, and users. You have nobody to blame for this but yourself.
 
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AsteriskX
Sep 16 2015, 4:53 AM
Well said, Zero Kirby, well said.
I understand you probably haven't been here for a while, Mike, but if you'll just at least acknowledge it or think about it for a while, maybe you'll understand...
 
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